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Bagnall Newsletter - September 08

Here is a newsletter I didn’t want or expect to have to write as you should have had your Bagnall kits by now. As it still isn’t quite ready I have reluctantly decided to do another newsletter to update you on progress. Even doing this takes time and is a balance between “do I do a newsletter” or “do I spend the time making the parts and packing the kit. As it is I am assembling wheelsets and there is a pause needed with each so I am doing this in the gaps so I apologise if it comes out looking like it was written in 10 minute segment - that would be because it has.

Shot in the Foot!

I have rather shot myself in the foot with this kit.

Let me limp around and try to explain this. When I got involved with this kit it was on the premise that I was buying the kit parts in bulk from South Africa, complete with instructions, so that all I had to do was box them individually, print the instructions add the extras if customers ordered them. That’s not close to what happened. What came from South Africa were three sheets of etches per loco and about the half the resin castings needed for the first batch. The instructions turned to be a joke and there were a lot of extras you needed to add. If any of you remember the old Jidenco kits for scratch builders, this was very similar.

On reflection I should have put the kit out in this form and be done with it but that wasn’t where I want to place EDM Models as a kit manufacturer so I started on trying to do something about it and it’s turned into a bit of a saga. Here I’ll detail some of the extras you are getting and explain why it’s taking time to produce.

Instructions

The instructions, such as they were, that came from South Africa consisted of a couple of pages of text and photo’s of the pilot model. The text came with gems like “form the boiler”. Would you be happy with that as an explanation of how to make the round boiler from flat sheet? The pictures of the pilot model aren’t too helpful as it has differences to the production model and it’s shown with different wheels, gears and motor to those being supplied. What I started doing was building one of the engines and writing it up as I went. The instructions I am doing are the very opposite of the originals in that they are blow by blow and fully illustrated with photo’s of the model I have been building.

As I have gone along with this process I have found aspects of the kit I have been less than happy with and have developed a solution and then moved on with the construction until coming to the next item needing attention. Some of the fixes designed have resulted in a mk2 fix being developed. The instructions and my model are approaching completion as the developments become available. I’ll detail some of the items below

Chassis

The chassis as designed reflected the fact that Bruce has access to etching in South Africa but not to a lot of the stuff we take for granted. As a result the bearings were designed to be assembled from folded metal parts around a standard 1/8” bearing. I considered this to be way too fiddly and with a risk that you don’t get them all the same. The cut outs in the frame are sized to suit. I thought this was too tricky and also it didn’t fit in with a direction we were already heading in with our other kit under development. As a result the whole bearing/springing/wheelset has been rethought as detailed below

Bearings/Hornblock / Springing

Having hit a problem with our L&B kit where all the commercial horn block systems were too wide to allow the outside frames to accommodate the bearings and wheels to fit between them if gauged to 16.5mm gauge. This set us on the road to developing our own slim line version and taking some time to get it right. In the last newsletter I included a picture of the bearing in the mk1 hornblock. As I am calling it the mk1 you have probably guessed there has been a mk2.

 

 

 

The basic idea was sound but fiddly. The problem in the mk1 was that the spring was fixed to the bearing which is how the 4mm scale chaps do it for inside frame engines. The problem we quickly horn1.jpgspotted that with a outside frames it was a real fiddle to then thread the spring wire into the spring mounts on the frame. In the Mk2

 

 

The bearing now has to have a wire soldered to the top to provide a single point of contact with the spring wire. I had thought that I could leave you to solder this on but then the need for consistency followed by the diversion in to providing assembled wheelsets imposed themselves and I decided to do them for you. To get consistency a soldering fixture was required. I spent days making the elaborate one shown here only to find it didn’t work. I can see why now but I didn’t realise that at the time. Another version was perfected that aligns the bearing with the tinned wire and connects the two parts to either side of my resistance soldering unit so that some applied solder paint melts and fixes the wire on. Another gauge is use to trim the wires to length.

 

A new etch has been done for the horn part of the system. The bearing slides in this just the same but now the spring wire slides into etched holes and is retained in place. This allows the spring wires to be fitted and then the wheelsets dropped in and the bearings come up against the springs. If you need to adjust the springs you take the wheel set out, move the spring and put the wheels back in.

Gearbox

The pilot model was shown fitted with a short motor Portescap unit installed because that’s what Bruce had. These are virtually impossible to come by and it would have been folly to have designed the kit to use a motor you can’t get anymore. Initially we tried to use a High Level Kits gearbox but couldn’t come to acceptable commercial terms so we’ve done our own. 

This has involved doing our own etch, sourcing most of the gears from Germany and commissioning three hundred custom made final drive gears from Poland. We’ve had to order a lot more than we need for these engines but the gearbox will be used in our other models and available separately.

Flycranks

The original idea was that the cranks were made up from layers of etch. This is very fiddly and difficult to get consistent for all four of them. In addition the hole for the crankpin is too large for the 1mm screw we use as a crankpin. As a result we’ve mastered one and had it cast in brass.

Assembled Wheelsets

This has turned into a trip up the garden path! About the time I was working on the horn and bearing design the online bulls@$t group pertinent to our models were getting their knickers in a twist about press on wheels and quartering.  I am afraid I got quite cross and despairing of modellers that would happily spend two hundred quid on a kit but won’t spend money on the tools that make them easy to build.

The result has been a resolve to provide assembled and quartered wheelsets for the 16.5mm gauge customers. As this is the first kit we have offered this for its taken some time to set up and we have built some tools of our own to make the assembly easier. Outside frame engines do offer an extra challenge with their wheels in that not only do you have to get them to gauge they need to be central on an axle the protrudes through the wheel. We’ve made our own press tool that pushes the wheels on from either end and leaves them at the right gauge. For the leading axle just the wheels have to be pressed on in this operation but the drive axle has to have two bearings and a gear threaded on between the wheels.

Once the wheels are on a washer and the crank are threaded on using a quartering tool to set the cranks at the right angle. That sounds simple but the cranks have to have the axle hole reamed out, the crankpin hole countersunk and tapped before a crankpin is screwed in with some thread lock applied. The cranks have a locking compound applied and they stay in the jig for a few minutes until the compound stars to cure.

 

I’ll do this for the rest of this batch but its something we’ll be reconsidering for future engines as its very time consuming and not really sustainable within the price for the kit.

Input from you required here

At the moment I am just doing assembled wheels for 16.5mm gauge and had planned to provide others with the parts loose for self assembly. I might be persuaded to do them to 14mm gauge as an alternative but I need to hear from you which option you would like, The options are: -

·   Assembled wheels – 16.5mm gauge

·   Assembled wheels – 14mm gauge

·   Self Assembly wheels

Please e-mail me with your choice. If I don’t hear from you may well be disappointed to receive the self assembly option.

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Boiler

In all the time I have been modelling I have never had to fold up a boiler from flat and I found “form the boiler” a singularly unhelpful statement.

I got Bruce to write me a blow by blow account of how he does it. I managed to do it but wasn’t at all happy with the result. The telling remark at the end of the blow by blow instructions was “only the first one is difficult!” This seems to miss the point that anyone buying the kit only gets one go at it.

Whilst the metal parts are in the kit if you fancy a go at boiler bending we have made patterns for the boiler, firebox and saddle and had them cast in resin and included this in all the kits. This will still need a bit of improvisation from you as you have to fiddle a support on the front of the cab for the back of the resin boiler.
Parts we’re waiting on

 

  • Bearings

We initially ordered a small number to prove the concept and are awaiting a further supply in the next few days.

  • Axle alignment

When it comes to assembling the chassis you need some dummy axles for alignment. I discovered that the commercial ones aren’t long enough for an outside framed 7m scale loco so I have commissioned a supply suitable for our needs. Once they arrive I need to source some springs to hold it all together.

  • Flycranks

Again we had a few as a test and are waiting on the balance of the supply

  • 8th day of the week

As most of you know EDM Models isn’t my full time job. By day I am a consultant electrical engineer for a large engineering consultancy and as they pay the mortgage they get first call on my time. Delivery of the 8th day of the week would allow a whole extra day for me to progress EDM projects.

 

The beggars have changed to prototype!

Outrageous I know but the Welsh Highland Railway have changed Gelert.

It used to have spring balance safety valves mounted on the studs you can see on the boiler below the whistle and that is what's in the kit.

 

Apparently the boiler inspector has condemned them and the engine now has pop valves set down into the dome cover.

 
Ready to Run Engines

As you know the ready to run engines are being built by Bruce in South Africa. Bruce tells me the first one is nearing completion with the others very close behind. He is happy to do more if anyone is interested in having a model built for them. The base model price is £500 with options on the basic spec available.

 

Future Runs & Kit Availability

 If you have looked at the Bagnall pages on the website recently you will see it says that the first run is sold out and to check back later for news of future runs. When we first announced this kit the intention was for it to be continuously available and not produced in limited runs. In light of all the things detailed above in this newsletter we are going to pause before doing more. I guess in an extreme case we could decide it’s not economical to do any further kits. More likely is that I’ll let the dust settle on getting the first thirty, look at the specification and costs before deciding the form of future releases of the kit.

 

Other Kits and News

This kit has dominated my life for the last few months and the efforts to get it released have been time consuming and disrupting as I have missed out on lots of other things – I even turned down an evening out in the pub at someone else’s expense – to the point where it has become a burden rather than a pleasure. The number one priority is now to get the first batch of this kit out of the door.

With the Bagnall out of the way kit manufacturing efforts will concentrate on getting the L&B engines done. Nothing significant has happened specifically with this kit whilst we have been doing the Bagnall but all the effort with bearings, hornblocks, gearboxes and assembly jigs will speed progress with that project. I’ll probably not do any kit development work for a couple of weeks once the Bagnall is out for the sake of my sanity [questionable at the best of times] and then we’ll crack on with it.

The efforts needed with the Bagnall and the L&B engines have left me scarred. Any future kits we do will be much more advanced with the unknowns worked out before you, the customer, get invited to get involved. What you might see from us is an occasional piece of info about a future idea to investigate interest in us producing it. With this in mind there are two things to mention

 

 

Lawley 4-4-0

We have previously mentioned this as our next loco kit. It still is to be the next loco kit but not now until sometime next year. If you want one sooner Bruce would be happy to quote you a price for a ready to run version.

SA NG Brake Van

   We have also shown this previously as our first rolling stock kit. This kit is very very nearly ready but we have a reservation with regard to going into production with it. The issue is that it’s going to be expensive. The kit involves a lot of etched components which has put the manufacturing costs up.

 

There will shortly be an issue of our main newsletter going to all subscribers with details of the prototype and the model.

 

The question we need to answer is, “if we released this kit as a complete kit will all the parts, wheels, trucks and couplers in included at a cost of £85 would anyone buy it”.

 

Our worry is that it’s too expensive but we need to ask.

 

Main Newsletter 
I will shortly be sending out an issue of our main newsletter. If you don’t subscribe to this and would like to receive it send me an e-mail and I’ll add you to the list.

 

Sorry this isn't an announcement that the loco's are on the way but it is getting close now

Paul Martin

EDM models

19 Briar Avenue, Acomb

York YO26 5BX       UK

paul@ngtrains.com

www.ngtrains.com

 

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